Delaware Estuary

00;00;46;09 - 00;01;09;16 Chuck Kirlin Hello and welcome to this edition of Community Connections. I'm your host, Chuck Kurland. Today we're with Allison Hartman. She is part of the source Water Protection of the Delaware Estuary. She is a manager. Welcome to the program. Thank you. So right off the bat, for our viewers who are not aware of what an estuary is, can you give them a definition or an idea of what the Delaware Estuary actually is? 00;01;09;17 - 00;01;20;04 Allison Hartman Absolutely. So the jury is typically an area where freshwater rivers mix with the salt water coming in from the ocean. So it's an area of mixing and change. 00;01;20;04 - 00;01;34;11 Chuck Kirlin Okay. That's easy enough. And so that's good. I always thought that was like a murky water or what was the other there was there was another like slang term for it. That's where the Delaware River meets the Atlantic Ocean down there, Cape May. 00;01;34;13 - 00;01;39;03 Allison Hartman That's a very common misconception. Yeah, that's an area of what we call brackish water. 00;01;39;04 - 00;01;39;27 Chuck Kirlin Brackish. 00;01;40;00 - 00;01;47;02 Allison Hartman It's not quite as salty as the ocean, but not quite as fresh as freshwater rivers. Okay. So a little bit in the middle there. 00;01;47;03 - 00;01;51;06 Chuck Kirlin So you're more interested in the fresh water I guess, for public use. 00;01;51;08 - 00;02;03;18 Allison Hartman So I primarily work on the Schuylkill River. I manage the Schuylkill Action Network and on the Delaware River I managed the Delaware River Improvement Partnership. So yes, where I work is primarily freshwater. 00;02;03;18 - 00;02;06;14 Chuck Kirlin So I'm curious, how did you get involved in this type of work? 00;02;06;14 - 00;02;22;05 Allison Hartman So my background is in marine biology. I used to lead tours through saltwater marshes, and more recently I was working for the Pilots Preservation Alliance. And then I was working for Noah, and I landed at the partnership for the Delaware Estuary. 00;02;22;06 - 00;02;38;19 Chuck Kirlin Wow. So you hit some really nice areas. I could tell you, because I'm a little I know the Pinelands very well. Wharton State Forest, it's a nice area, and I'm sure you have a lot of experience of the tours that go through there. And I'm sure that's what led you to go on the move one of the bigger and better things. 00;02;38;20 - 00;02;42;01 Allison Hartman That's exactly it. And Wharton State Forest is exactly where I was working. 00;02;42;02 - 00;02;47;25 Chuck Kirlin Wow. Yeah. Beautiful area. The the I'm trying to remember Asean Lake I think is right there. Right. 00;02;47;26 - 00;02;49;08 Allison Hartman That's still in Malaga rivers. 00;02;49;09 - 00;02;53;26 Chuck Kirlin That's it. That's exactly it. I know it's a big kayaking and canoe area now as well. 00;02;53;29 - 00;02;57;20 Allison Hartman Yeah. It's a beautiful place to go paddling. I highly recommend it. 00;02;57;21 - 00;03;03;01 Chuck Kirlin So you were also in the Washington, D.C. area as well. Was that part of the Potomac or. 00;03;03;04 - 00;03;24;00 Allison Hartman Yes. So I was working for Noah as an education specialist for the Potomac River National Marine Sanctuary. It's a marine sanctuary where there are hundreds of boats that were left after World War One. So it's a boat graveyard. It's also a fascinating place to go kayaking. 00;03;24;02 - 00;03;34;18 Chuck Kirlin Yes. Well, with your background in marine biology. How do you tie that in with the water preservation? Is it more for the animals or is it for both? How? How does that fall in the play? 00;03;34;19 - 00;04;01;22 Allison Hartman So my background in marine biology, my specialty was environmental education. As a part of environmental education, we often have to work with a lot of other partners and work with different organizations to achieve our goals. That got me working with a lot of different people and learning how to herd cats and manage people. So my job now is primarily managing the network and partnerships. 00;04;01;22 - 00;04;16;23 Allison Hartman So the School Action Network has several different workgroups under it. There are six in total, and my job is pulling people together within those workgroups to help find common goals so they can work together to achieve more. 00;04;17;00 - 00;04;23;16 Chuck Kirlin Now what? How do you get the word out to draw people in to get this network organized? 00;04;23;18 - 00;04;51;07 Allison Hartman It's mostly a professional network, so there is some word of mouth as people come into organizations, they hear. Oh, this was a project that we did along with the School Action Network, or San is primarily what we call it. So we worked with San on this and they helped us do X, Y, z. We also have a social media presence, a website and mailing list so people can find out when those workgroup meetings are coming up. 00;04;51;07 - 00;04;56;09 Chuck Kirlin So are most of these projects perpetual or do they do they ever come to an end? 00;04;56;12 - 00;04;57;15 Allison Hartman We have a little bit of both. 00;04;57;17 - 00;04;58;08 Chuck Kirlin Oh, okay. 00;04;58;12 - 00;05;09;01 Allison Hartman Many of the projects have a beginning, middle and end because many of them are grant funded. So we need to have something to show at the end of the grants that this is why it was worth it. 00;05;09;03 - 00;05;15;18 Chuck Kirlin Now, are you involved with putting in for the grant that I heard? That is a tedious chore. 00;05;15;20 - 00;05;33;26 Allison Hartman It is a long process and depending on the grant, sometimes there is more information required than other times. But yes, we do have a grant manager at the partnership for the Delaware Estuary and a grant director who are primarily in charge of that, but I help provide the info along the way. 00;05;33;27 - 00;05;41;11 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, because you have to be an expert and you have to check certain boxes to make sure the grant is presented properly. Correct? 00;05;41;12 - 00;05;53;26 Allison Hartman Exactly. And if someone is going to give you all of this money to make a project work, you have to come back at the end and say, well, this is what we did with all of your money. This is how it helped people. This is what improved because of the investment that was made. 00;05;53;28 - 00;05;57;21 Chuck Kirlin Now your current role. How long have you been in it? 00;05;57;23 - 00;06;00;21 Allison Hartman So I started at the end of July 2025. 00;06;00;22 - 00;06;09;21 Chuck Kirlin Oh, okay. So you're getting your feet wet. No pun intended right now. Right, exactly. Is it is it what you expected to be, or is it different? 00;06;09;22 - 00;06;17;11 Allison Hartman No. It's pretty much exactly what I expected. Luckily, during the interview process, they made it very clear what this was going to be. 00;06;17;13 - 00;06;30;15 Chuck Kirlin Well that's good. Now, are they being a project manager? Do you have, I guess, the do they give you the open ended opportunities to pick and choose where you think things should be allocated? 00;06;30;18 - 00;07;03;18 Allison Hartman Yes and no. So the School Action Network has been around since 2003. So there are certain types of projects that we are expected to continue. And there's a historical legacy there to make sure that the source water and drinking water in the Schuylkill remains as clean as possible. So I have a lot of input from the chairs of our various work groups, who are subject matter experts in the various things, going on to figure out what kind of funding we pursue and what kind of projects we do. 00;07;03;21 - 00;07;31;24 Allison Hartman However, one of the wonderful things about the heart for the Delaware Estuary is we're also encouraged to find funding for projects that are interesting to us. So, for example, because of my background, I'm very interested in environmental education. I am encouraged to find funding opportunities for educational activities that may fit the needs of the watershed, but also fits my own interests. 00;07;31;25 - 00;07;47;11 Chuck Kirlin That's good. Now do multiple states, since obviously the rivers usually divide states, do they get involved or do you like obviously it's Delaware Estuary. It's not just the state of Delaware. You're dealing with people from Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, right. All the way down the line. 00;07;47;13 - 00;08;27;17 Allison Hartman Yes. So the Delaware Estuary is the state of Delaware, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Okay. We primarily look at the the title estuary, the tidal Delaware, going from Trenton down south to where the bay meets the Atlantic Ocean. Okay. There are other people in my organization who look at other geographical areas, because my work is primarily in partnership with the Philadelphia Water Department and some of the other water utilities in Pennsylvania that use the school River and the lower Delaware River as source water for the drinking water that comes out of many people's taps. 00;08;27;19 - 00;08;30;04 Allison Hartman My work is almost entirely in Pennsylvania. 00;08;30;06 - 00;08;48;27 Chuck Kirlin Okay. Yeah, because I know that the Philadelphia Water Department, they have a they I guess. Is it called a water farm that's located right off the Delaware off of Academy Road in 95. I could see it along there. They almost look like they have little huts. I guess that must be the purification. 00;08;49;03 - 00;08;52;14 Allison Hartman Yeah. So it's called a water intake. 00;08;52;15 - 00;08;52;26 Chuck Kirlin Okay. 00;08;52;27 - 00;09;12;12 Allison Hartman And I'm not going to get into the science of what happens with the water intake to make sure it goes from raw river water into being the clean water that comes out of your tap. They have experts for that. Okay. But yes, there are areas where you can see the various holding basins before their process. 00;09;12;15 - 00;09;26;08 Chuck Kirlin Allison, you told us a lot about the partnerships that you have with the estuary. The Philadelphia Water Department is probably your big catalyst. How how is that relationship and how do you guys work and hand in hand? 00;09;26;09 - 00;09;56;10 Allison Hartman So the Philadelphia Water Department is the whole reason that the School Action Network exists. Back in the early 2000, they, along with the United States Environmental Protection Agency and the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection, came together and wanted to work to improve water quality within the school River. Now, because the vast majority of the school River watershed is outside the city of Philadelphia itself, they knew they were going to have to work with partners in order to make this happen. 00;09;56;10 - 00;10;23;02 Allison Hartman So the School Action Network was born, and from there, various work groups came about, and the Philadelphia Water Department was looking at the areas in which water could be improved. So, for example, one of our workgroups is abandoned mine drainage. Another one is pathogens and point source. So PWD looks at these areas and says how can we remove the contaminants from the water? 00;10;23;02 - 00;10;46;05 Allison Hartman Or how can we prevent these things from entering the water in the first place? Now, most of the abandoned mine drainage happens in Schuylkill County, far outside the city of Philadelphia. So working with different people who are on the ground in those areas where they are able to help make the drinking water in Philadelphia a little bit cleaner by working with all of these partners. 00;10;46;06 - 00;11;02;04 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, because the coal mine region was up there and now they're abandoned. And I guess that's where water must sit. And I guess from the machinery that was in there, this all brings contaminants in play. How do they figure out how much testing is done? Is it a lot? 00;11;02;07 - 00;11;28;20 Allison Hartman They do a lot of testing in the water intake areas. And I know in the different counties, especially the county conservation districts, they do different water quality testing for different reasons. Up in the abandoned mine drainage areas, they're testing for the acidity of the water. They're looking at the H. If it's too acidic, it erodes some of the rocks around the area and that brings contaminants into the water itself. 00;11;28;23 - 00;11;57;14 Allison Hartman In other areas, like in Berks County, they're more concerned with input from agriculture. So they look at the different things that end up in the water as a byproduct of the farming that's going on in that area. And at different parts of the watershed, they look at different aspects. There are certain things, like certain pathogens that we look at from the headwaters right down to the intake. 00;11;57;16 - 00;12;28;17 Allison Hartman Originally when the school collection network was formed. One of the main things that people were looking at was a contaminant called cryptosporidium. And while this is something that people still care about, we've branched out and are trying to look at a more holistic way of improving water. Shockingly, one of the things that we look at from headwaters on down is road salts, especially in a winter where there's a lot of snow or it's very cold, that road salt makes its way into the river and then makes its way into drinking water. 00;12;28;21 - 00;12;40;05 Allison Hartman Sam brings together partners in order to share resources and share data, in order to make sure that everybody can be working together to make as much of a difference as possible. 00;12;40;07 - 00;12;56;22 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, I know that a lot of the drinking water from the Philadelphia Water Department comes from me. That is Delaware or the Schuylkill, right? Are there aquifers in the area that they draw water from as well? Because I know that's big in new Jersey. I wasn't sure if that was the same here in Pennsylvania. 00;12;56;23 - 00;13;20;25 Allison Hartman Yes. South Jersey especially is luckily lucky to have that Kirkwood aquifer that has trillions of gallons of water. This part of Pennsylvania does not have that same type of aquifer, so at least the Philadelphia Water Department pulls the majority of its water from those two river sources. When you get a little further north or west within Pennsylvania, I'm not quite sure. 00;13;20;27 - 00;13;28;22 Allison Hartman I do believe that the majority of water across the state is taken from what they call surface water. 00;13;28;24 - 00;13;41;02 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, I know you mentioned Trenton down, but I know the Delaware is up in eastern PA. It goes through new Hope all the way down to Trenton. Why did they use Trenton as the cutoff? Is there a reason for that? 00;13;41;04 - 00;14;08;27 Allison Hartman The Delaware River goes all the way up into New York State. It's one of the largest watersheds on the East Coast. Oh, this area is specifically what we look at because it is the title Delaware. And for the partnership for the Delaware Estuary. They're part of a National estuary program, where they are looking at very specific areas that impact that estuary itself. 00;14;08;28 - 00;14;24;26 Allison Hartman When you get north of Trenton, there is yes, obviously that water impacts the estuary because it's flowing there, but there's not as much of a direct effect as there is in this area. That the partnership for the Delaware Estuary Focus is on. 00;14;24;27 - 00;14;45;23 Chuck Kirlin Well, the one good thing that you said that there's trillions of gallons of water here on the East Coast, because I know the West Coast water can be an issue. I know you're more dealing with the contaminants because obviously the population is much greater here. So that's probably the biggest challenge. But at least we know we're always going to have enough drinking water where we live. 00;14;45;24 - 00;14;50;10 Allison Hartman I would love to say that was the case, but that's not necessarily something we can take for granted. 00;14;50;14 - 00;14;51;05 Chuck Kirlin Oh, okay. 00;14;51;06 - 00;15;15;26 Allison Hartman That Kirkwood Cohen aquifer? Yes. It is some of the most pristine water in anywhere in the country. However, it has been we've seen the aquifer get depleted slightly over time. It's lots and lots of water down there, but it's not an infinite source. There is a limit to how much water is in there and how much water we are currently using. 00;15;15;29 - 00;15;20;12 Allison Hartman It does become a concern that we may deplete even those very large reservoirs of water. 00;15;20;13 - 00;15;27;26 Chuck Kirlin Well, do you think you'll ever be one day brackish water? Can we ever convert that into drinking water? 00;15;27;28 - 00;15;53;11 Allison Hartman That is something that I know a lot of scientists are working on at this point in time. The process of taking water that has a lot of salts in it and turning it into fresh water is called desalinization. And right now, desalinization is an extremely time intensive and expensive process. And many of our water utility companies just don't have the infrastructure in order to do that right now. 00;15;53;13 - 00;16;12;07 Allison Hartman I know there are places in the world where that's being looked at more closely, because they don't have other fresh water sources of water. I think for this area, that's a kind of end case scenario that people are hoping to avoid by maintaining the quality of our fresh water. 00;16;12;12 - 00;16;30;07 Chuck Kirlin Well, I know I'm a little older than you. That's why I'll share. This bottle of water was never a thing when I was probably your age. And water fountains were plentiful in the parks and whatever, and now it's changed so much that I'm sure someone in your position. Bottled water is probably frowned upon. 00;16;30;09 - 00;16;36;03 Allison Hartman It is, especially when we have very high quality tap water that is right at our fingertips. 00;16;36;04 - 00;16;49;04 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, because it's stuff that we always took for granted because it was free. But now there's a cost behind it. And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're paying more for the plastic bottle than you are for the water itself. 00;16;49;06 - 00;16;55;16 Allison Hartman Yes. And you're also the planet is going to be paying for that plastic bottle for years to come. 00;16;55;22 - 00;17;03;28 Chuck Kirlin Yeah. For it to finally disintegrate or in a landfill or whatever. Right. Yeah. And the bottles are made from Will. 00;17;04;01 - 00;17;05;04 Allison Hartman Yes. 00;17;05;07 - 00;17;25;07 Chuck Kirlin That's it. So it is pretty wild. We talked a lot about the water source, especially for all of us living in the area between the Schuylkill and the Delaware and the Philadelphia Water Department. Do they have any future goals in mind? Obviously, that you're involved with? Because there are projects and you have to dream up stuff to keep the flow going. 00;17;25;08 - 00;17;27;10 Chuck Kirlin No pun intended. 00;17;27;12 - 00;18;01;09 Allison Hartman Yes, absolutely. Obviously, our long term goal is to continue to improve water quality within the Schuylkill River and within the Delaware River. Shorter term. We are currently working on our first state of the Schuylkill report, and we hope to have that out sometime in the not so distant future. The goal of that is to help people be able to see, almost like a report card for the river, see where things have gotten better, see where there's still some opportunities for growth, and to have people be able to see where the areas for partnership are. 00;18;01;12 - 00;18;16;28 Allison Hartman We also, because the Delaware River Improvement Partnership is a relatively new program, we have three work groups currently, and we're trying to expand that to have more workgroups and be able to make a larger impact in the area that is surrounding the Delaware River itself. 00;18;17;01 - 00;18;27;06 Chuck Kirlin Speaking of the two rivers, and it just popped in my mind. It Schuylkill, Delaware is one cleaner or in better shape than the other. Are they pretty much the same. 00;18;27;09 - 00;18;39;06 Allison Hartman That I'm not entirely sure about because I'm not a water scientist for one of the water utilities, I haven't looked at the data to directly compare the two. That is a good question. 00;18;39;07 - 00;19;06;25 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, the reason why I ask is because I think that Delaware probably has more commercial use and the school. But I know, as you mentioned, there's a lot more drainage coming down from the mine shafts from upstate Pennsylvania on the Schuylkill side. So it's it's very it's very interesting that I'm curious on what one would be, but your job is obviously to make sure that the Philadelphia Water Department is getting the best information available to make everything drinkable. 00;19;06;29 - 00;19;34;00 Allison Hartman Yeah. And what's wonderful is we started because of the Philadelphia water departments. But at this point in time, we partner with several other water utilities as well. So even though the pood intakes along the Schuylkill and along the Delaware started as our primary focus, we now work with Aqua Constellation, PA, Rural Water, PA, American Water to try and improve drinking water throughout the entire region, not just within the city of Philadelphia. 00;19;34;05 - 00;19;43;05 Chuck Kirlin Oh, okay. Yeah. So in your in your unit, are there multiple people that are working along with you or are you tackling this on your own? 00;19;43;06 - 00;20;19;23 Allison Hartman I never could tackle this all on my own. I do have a coworker. Her name is Marguerite and she is absolutely wonderful. She is essential to making sure this work happens within the partnership for the Delaware Estuary. It's primarily the two of us who are managing these two different partnerships, but we do have a planning committee of partners from other organizations, from the EPA, from the Philadelphia Water Department, PA Department of Environmental Protection, and several other organizations that help us make decisions and help to be as impactful as possible along these rivers. 00;20;19;24 - 00;20;23;02 Chuck Kirlin Do you work remotely or do you work out of a facility? 00;20;23;04 - 00;20;26;18 Allison Hartman We have an office. Our office is located in Wilmington, Delaware. 00;20;26;20 - 00;20;34;02 Chuck Kirlin Wow. Okay. Are you close by with other agencies? So the coordination is a lot easier? Or is everything done via. 00;20;34;04 - 00;20;55;23 Allison Hartman Most things are done virtually. We do have a handful of in-person meetings throughout the year. Each workgroup meets quarterly, so we try to make sure at least some of those workgroup meetings are in person. And we also have our big. We call it our Samuel, our Sand annual meeting that happens in person, usually in early November. And that's our one chance to bring everybody in. 00;20;55;23 - 00;21;14;14 Allison Hartman The organization, together with all members is open to the public. Anybody who has an interest can come. Typically we have a keynote speaker, maybe a panel, and we talk about whatever issues are of utmost importance to the people working in the watershed at this point in time. 00;21;14;15 - 00;21;19;21 Chuck Kirlin Well, I know here in Upper Marion Township you deal with the let me get this right. Is it grabbing pub. 00;21;19;22 - 00;21;20;07 Allison Hartman Scrubbing. 00;21;20;07 - 00;21;25;25 Chuck Kirlin Pulp, scrubbing pop. There you go. How does that work? And is it? Are you getting good response from it? 00;21;25;26 - 00;21;52;04 Allison Hartman Yes. So we have partnered with Upper Marion Township for several years now to do a one day event called the Scrub and Pub. It's a part of a Greater Schuylkill scrub that goes from the beginning of March until the end of May. Typically, the scrub and pub is towards the end of March and we go out. We go to sites that have been identified by people in Upper Marion Township and work to clean up the roadsides there. 00;21;52;04 - 00;22;04;24 Allison Hartman It's a really fun day. We also typically partner with a brewery or restaurant, and usually the brewery will give free beer tickets for anybody who volunteers in is over 21. It's a really fun day. 00;22;04;26 - 00;22;15;14 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, I'm guessing they're pulling out like tires and all kinds of fun things from the river. Yeah, yeah. I wonder what's the most unique? Like, debris has been pulled from the river. Oh. 00;22;15;15 - 00;22;29;17 Allison Hartman That is a good question. I think that one year they pulled a toilet. Oh, that was on the side of the road. But usually it's drink wrappers. Food, trash, that kind of thing. 00;22;29;18 - 00;22;32;28 Chuck Kirlin Gotcha. How many people are usually in attendance? Do you get a good crowd? 00;22;32;29 - 00;22;36;01 Allison Hartman Usually we have anywhere between 30 to 50 people. 00;22;36;02 - 00;22;48;02 Chuck Kirlin Oh, that is good. Yeah. And is there a certain attire they want you to wear or shopping? Well, may I mean April, it's still a little chilly, so you're probably in sweats or something. Comfortable, right? 00;22;48;03 - 00;23;04;11 Allison Hartman Yeah. Whatever. You're okay getting a little bit dirty? Yes. It obviously cleaning up roadside trash is never going to be the most glamorous thing in the world. So dressing for comfort, warmth and clean ability is more important than being a fashionista out there. 00;23;04;13 - 00;23;07;27 Chuck Kirlin Now, is that the only event that your organization deals with? 00;23;08;00 - 00;23;37;01 Allison Hartman That's our biggest event that is for the public. We do have, as I mentioned, those work group meetings that meet quarterly throughout the year. And we have in sand there are six different work groups in drip. There's three different ones. The work group meetings can be anything from a Microsoft teams meeting, where we sit there and update on various projects, where we also talk about funding opportunities and how we're going to pursue funding for group projects. 00;23;37;09 - 00;23;51;09 Allison Hartman Sometimes we also do field trips where we might go out to a farm and look at some best management practices that have been put into place there to prevent animal waste from making its way into the watershed. So we get to do all sorts of fun things. 00;23;51;11 - 00;23;56;06 Chuck Kirlin Yeah, maybe. Curious if their educational opportunities as well? 00;23;56;13 - 00;24;18;03 Allison Hartman Sure. So many of our partner organizations do educational programs for the public. We partner with Glenn Ford. We've partnered with Berks Nature. If you look at the sand website or our sand social media pages, we often will repost activities that our partners are doing. 00;24;18;08 - 00;24;23;06 Chuck Kirlin That's pretty good. So plans for the future? Anything, anything jumping out. 00;24;23;08 - 00;24;36;23 Allison Hartman That state of the school report is going to be a very big deal for us. Having something that people can look at and know exactly at a glance how the river is and how it's changed since the last state of the school report is going to be great. 00;24;36;24 - 00;24;44;22 Chuck Kirlin Wow. So that's good. And I'm always curious if there ever going to compare the two rivers now. You're always going to keep that in my mind. 00;24;44;23 - 00;24;46;25 Allison Hartman I that's going to be in my mind as well. 00;24;46;29 - 00;24;48;28 Allison Hartman I have some people I have to ask questions of. 00;24;48;29 - 00;24;53;00 Chuck Kirlin Yeah. Because they're the two main water sources, I guess, for everyone living in the Delaware Valley. 00;24;53;05 - 00;24;54;06 Allison Hartman Primarily, yes. 00;24;54;07 - 00;25;02;15 Chuck Kirlin Yeah. So that's pretty good. So if someone's looking for more information on your program, how would they do? How would they go about getting information? 00;25;02;16 - 00;25;08;01 Allison Hartman The starting point would be our website at. 00;25;08;04 - 00;25;19;24 Allison Hartman Or if you're looking for information specifically about the Schuylkill Action Network or about the Delaware River Improvement Partnership, then it would be our website is WW. 00;25;19;26 - 00;25;20;26 Allison Hartman Or I'm sorry. 00;25;20;29 - 00;25;30;12 Chuck Kirlin Well, that website have the information for someone that might be interested in doing the scrub and pub. Yeah. Oh that's good. So I didn't know if the Scrubbing Pub had its own website. 00;25;30;14 - 00;25;33;14 Allison Hartman The sign up for that is on the Upper Marion Township website. 00;25;33;15 - 00;25;34;05 Chuck Kirlin Oh that's good. 00;25;34;08 - 00;25;38;17 Allison Hartman We do link it on our School Action Network website as well. 00;25;38;18 - 00;25;51;29 Chuck Kirlin Wow. That's fantastic. So I want to tell you, it's been really interesting learning about this water and how it's how it impacts us, which is a very important and the job that you're doing, it's been fantastic. 00;25;52;05 - 00;25;54;16 Allison Hartman This was wonderful. Thank you for having me. 00;25;54;18 - 00;26;04;14 Chuck Kirlin It has been Allison Hartmann, the source water protection manager from the Delaware Estuary, from all of us here at UMGA television. Thank you for watching. And thank you for being here.